Hi Art - thanks for your reply.
 
If you cannot view the Picture Proof herein, please either
open the attached ArtBlack.htm file or click this link below here :
 
http://www.Constellation7.org/ArtBlack.htm
 
These are four genuine Biblical Sites - the real deals for
the following reasons : (in purple under your points, plus others)
 
FIRST : NOAH'S ARK TOTALLY PROVED
----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Black
To: Elijah
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:51 AM
Subject: Seen them debunked them previously.

I am sorry to tell you that you are being seriously misled... 
 
(you should know I have already been through this Ark, Sodom, Red Sea, idea with several other people)
 
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm

 
is a rock formation, yes it is in the shape of a "ship" but the problem is that if the Noah's Ark
was a true ship it would not be fossilized in such a way, it's shape is irregular and the rock
that is formed in the shape is in no way fossilized wood of any sort. 
 
 
 
1). In Egyptian cubits (Moses' measuring unit) The Ark is 515 feet long - SAME AS THE SITE.
 
Exact length as Recorded in The Holy Bible : 300 Egyptian cubits = 515  feet.
Egyptian cubits NOT Hebrew cubits because Moses studied in Egypt.
 
2). The Ark touched down further North 4356 years ago today, and was later carried down
to its current location by a mud/lava slide that buried it. See the satellite photo :
 
 
HOW THE ARK GOT TO ITS CURRENT LOCATION
 
 The lava/mud flow sealed the Ark off for a long time. Lava
 has been regularly observed NOT to burn wood because the
 surface of the lava is cooler and semi-liquid quag. GOD is in
 charge of everything and ensured it was protected until the
 time we had the tools to verify everything - THIS AGE !!!
 
 
 When the Turkish Government dedicated the site a small
 anomaly was found in the deep ground penetrating radar
 scans, a small distance from the surface. IT WAS DUG UP.
 
 The timbers of the Ark (Gopher wood) are made by
 cross-ply lamination sealed together with and coated
 in thick pitch - (resilient tree sap). Throughout history
 Hebrew scholars have been unable to identify the "Gopher
 Wood Tree". IT'S NOT A TREE. This is Ancient Hebrew for
 LAMINATED WOOD.
 
The glued pitch sealant lamination substance had oozed out a little including nail prints.

NOAH'S ARK DECK TIMBER PHOTO ABOVE
 
This was then later analysed as Petrified WOOD; cross-ply
laminated, NO GROWTH RINGS IN THE TREE WOOD.
 
3). The deep ground penetrating radar located the following INSIDE in this "rock formation" :
 
Sub-surface radar built by Geophysical Survey Systems Incorporated
(GSSI) that can chart the presence of objects below the surface :
 
http://wyattmuseum.com/images/wpe1C.jpg
 
http://wyattmuseum.com/images/wpe16.jpg
 
 
Man-made horizontal and vertical radar images PROVED compartments
and the ENTIRE internal structure of the "rock formation"
 
4). In the picture BELOW metal detectors located equidistant and regular hits of
iron. These are brackets and metal timber connection joists holding the internal
Gopher Wood structure securely together to withstand a gigantic storm at sea
for ONE YEAR. THE ROCKS ON THE TAPES BELOW MARK THE METAL DETECTOR
HITS FOR IRON BELOW THE SURFACE THAT MATCH THE DEEP GROUND RADAR
SCANS SHOWING THE HORIZONTAL STRAIGHT LINE COMPARTMENTS INSIDE.
 
DEEP GROUND RADAR SCANS AND METAL DETECTION WORK
 

Metal Bracket

In May, 1985, Dr. John Baumgardner of Los Alomas Labs, was inspecting the ark with a metal detector when he became startled and said, "Undecomposed Iron!"  A rectangular beam was protruding from the side of the ark, with iron flakes.  He found a beautiful right angled wrought iron bracket which had been stretched and hammered, showing preferential gradiance.  John tested it at Los Alomas Labs and it was found to be 91.84% iron FE203.

 
5). Aluminium and titanium RIVETS were found embedded in fossilised Gopher
Wood from the sides of the "rock formation". Titanium and aluminium was ONLY
made last century and requires manganese that leaves SLAG after the metals
have been made.
 
 
 
 
 
 
6) The manganese slag used to manufacture the titanium rivets was poured into
the base of the hull as ballast. Curved pieces of the ballast were found at the site
and ALSO tested.
 
Below is a piece of metal ballast that was thrown into the bottom of the ark
when the craftsmen were through forming metal brackets and had metal waste
left over.  Notice the concave features on almost every side, where other pieces of
ballast were pressed against it when it was still hot. 
 
Found at the Ark site  (Three photos of same item.)
 
  
 
7). To keep the Ark stable and direct its nose into the storm waves. huge Drogue
Anchor stones were hung over the stern of the Ark, suspended in the water.
 
 
Much smaller versions were found in the Mediterranean in 200 BC. Same style,
but WAY SMALLER. A well known method for stabilising ships in the old days.
 
 
 
These were found upstream from the Ark Site were they were cut loose as the Ship
settled on dry land for the first time in a YEAR. The very small town nearby is
known (by direct linguistic translation as CITY OF EIGHT)
 
TOTAL ARARAT AREA NOAH'S ARK SITE MAP
 

 ANCIENT WALL AT NOAH'S LIVING SITE RECENTLY DESTROYED 

 
 
 
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/ronwyattanchor.jpg
 
More DROGUE Anchor stones at same location North of Ark Site :
 
 
Precision drilled curved bore hole for the ropes to go through :
 
 
A piece of fossilised Ark Covering was found below. Note the description:
 
 
 
Knocking this large stone-like object that has a bark texture (the covering Noah
removed from the ark as the waters were receding) The sound is a hollow, and high pitched.
 
 
Art - WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS SHORT VIDEO CLIP ABOVE
 
 
8). A BORE HOLE WAS DRILLED INTO THE SIDE OF THE REMAINS OF THE ARK HERE :
 
 
This is a look through the six inch diameter core drill INTO THE SIDE OF THE ARK. 
 
It leads to a chamber which contained petrified animal dung coprolite (below), cat hair,
the base of an antler (below), human hair, and man-made fibre that is similar to fibre optic. 
The hole was then closed up to prevent contamination inside.
 
 
 
These artefacts come from INSIDE the "rock formation"
 
9). After God hit the site with AN EARTHQUAKE in 1978, the outer casing
of mud-lava fell off and a large CRACK appeared down the middle of the Ship:
 
 PRE-EARTHQUAKE PHOTO 1960
 
ORIGINAL PHOTO SHOWING HOW THE ARK WAS SWEPT DOWN BY THE LAVA/MUD FLOW
 
In 1978, when Mr. Wyatt was returning to Nashville, he prayed that God would send an earthquake
to "excavate" the site.  When arriving in Nashville the headlines read, "Earthquake in Eastern Turkey." 
The earth dropped from around the sides of the ark, defining the
formation more clearly and making it more accessible for research.
 
AFTER THE 1978 EARTHQUAKE : ARK RIB TIMBERS NOW ACCESSIBLE
 
 
Above:  On the left are some of the vertical rib timbers on the outside of the ark
 
DETAILED PHOTOS OF ARK HULL RIB TIMBERS
 
 
Above:  A close-up shot of the petrified timbers, on western, starboard side
 
10). CONCLUSION : Art : Aside from the hard evidence herein and elsewhere, the
deep ground radar PROVED that a large "moon-pool" HOLE was built into the under
side hull of The ARK - WHY:
 
A). The Ark was NOT built to GO ANYWHERE. It was and IS An ARK, to kept the
occupants safe during the one year of global Flood Devastation.
 
RE-CONSTRUCTED SIDE VIEW BASED ON RADARSCANS WITH NO MOON-POOL VISIBLE IN THIS CUTAWAY DIAGRAM
 
The MOON-POOL Hole allowed for the Ship (like a huge barge) NOT TO BREAK
in half on the crest of GIGANTIC WAVES.
 
 
Rather, the wave water went UP AND DOWN inside the Moon-Pool preventing
the hull from CRACK OPENING on the top of huge waves.
 
B). This ALSO pumped air throughout the closed off interior of the Ship. A
Fresh-Air Circulation Device - (it would get very smelly with ALL those animals)
 
C). Also, the Moon-Pool served as a Waste Disposal conduit as a "run-off" for all
the dung and urine and muck that accumulates every day for one year "AT SEA".
 
D). Additionally, RAIN WATER was funnelled down into the Ship for drinking water
and washing and cleaning water. The run off from THIS WATER went out into
the Moon-Pool.
 
None of this is IN THE HOLY BIBLE - This is DIRECT FACTUAL EVIDENCE FROM
twenty years of studying The ACTUAL NOAH'S ARK ITSELF.
 
METAL DETECTOR IRON FOUND LINES
 
Lastly Art - you SAID :
 
Second, the flood story is regional, meaning it does not coincide with any sort of global event and geologists have already debunked this idea. 
 
IF the Flood WAS simply "regional", why build an Ark in the FIRST PLACE?
 
The solution is SIMPLE "Move somewhere else", PLUS it wouldn't matter
anyway, because ONLY THE ANIMALS AND PEOPLE "regionally" would be
destroyed - EVERYWHERE ELSE THEY WOULD SURVIVE.
 
The concept is fiction. You then say :
 
Also the animal kingdom would not exist in the variety and distribution it does today,
if such an event had ever occurred, especially certain animals unique to their region.
 
CLOSING : ONLY a male and female of each species (and these young) are required to
continue each species. Only creatures that breathe AIR were Preserved on the Ark.
 
Insects SURVIVE FLOODS. Amphibious creatures that can SWIM survive floods.
 
Fish, whales, and ALL marine / aquatic life forms SURVIVE floods.
 
Big lumbering DINOSAURS do NOT survive FLOODS.
 
This is how the so called prehistoric creatures WERE WIPED OUT, In The Flood.
 
Post flood distribution of the animals GLOBALLY was done BY MAN, with
The LORD and the Holy Angels AT THE TIME OF THE TOWER OF BABEL,
ACROSS THE ENTIRE PLANET - Yes, The Australian aborigines TOOK
the Marsupials and other creatures WITH THEM. The waters later
ROSE HIGHER and SEALED OFF AUSTRALIA FROM THE ASIAN MAINLAND
 
TIMELINE CHART FROM CREATION TO ARK FLOOD TO BABEL TO JESUS TO NOW - AMEN
 
The fossils are dated by the flood layers and the layers are dated by the fossils.
 
The LAYERS are FLOOD PROOF - A Gargantuan Global Deluge that DESTROYED
EVERYTHING.
 
Last, BUT NOT LEAST - BEFORE THE FLOOD, life-spans were GIGANTIC.
 
Creatures like sharks, sea beasts, reptiles or snakes JUST KEEP GROWING.
 
Hence, the OLDER THEY ARE THE BIGGER THEY ARE !!!
 
REGARDING these MASSIVE natural history museum "Dinosaur" skeletons,
 
Art, how old are they ???? i MEAN how old was EACH SPECIMEN when it DIED?
 
Have a WILD GUESS how long it took from the EGG to reach that massive size?
 
FROM SMALL TO GIANT - HUNDREDS OF YEARS
 
ANSWER : Hundreds of years. In fact, some of these Huge Dinosaurs WERE
1656 years OLD when they were ANNIHILATED.
 
Fossils of fish eating other fish have been found - HUGE GRAVEYARDS of
millions of fossils - ALL LAID DOWN RAPIDLY IN ONE HIT and buried to
create the fossil records OF THE GLOBAL FLOOD, some frozen in time in
ABJECT TERROR. BURIED UNDER THOUSANDS OF FEET OF FLOOD SILT.
 
OVER SOME 4244 YEARS, WIND AND RAIN EROSION AND EARTHQUAKE
UPHEAVALS HAVE REVEALED THESE FLOOD RELICS FOR PROPER STUDY
 
MILLIONS OF FLOOD RELICS LIKE THIS WORLWIDE
 
 
Same with ALL GLOBAL CHALK LAYERS laid down in ONE HIT
BY THE GARGANTUAN WORLDWIDE FLOOD IN 1656 AFTER ADAM
 
A fossilised whale HAS BEEN found almost vertical in the chalk.
 
NO PHOTOS TAKEN - DIAGRAM FROM DESCRIPTION ONLY
 
At a diatomaceous-earth quarry in Lompoc, California, a remarkable discovery was made during
mining operations in 1976. Workers of the Dicalite Division of Grefco Corporation uncovered the
fossil skeleton of a baleen whale. The whale fossil is standing on end in the quarry and is being
exposed gradually as the diatomite is mined. Estimates are that the fossil is about eighty feet long.
 
Workers Find Whale in Diatomaceous Earth Quarry,
Chemical and Engineering News,  11 October 1976, p. 40.
 
FLOOD RELICS abound ALL OVER THE PLANET. Fossilised trees FOUND
ALMOST VERTICAL PIERCING THE OLD FLOOD SILT DEPOSIT LAYERS.
 
HUGE FLOOD VICTIM FOSSILISED TREE
 
 
 
 
THE SAME PHENOMENA WAS OBSERVED AND
RECORDED AT SPIRIT LAKE MOUNT ST HELENS :
 
TREES CAUGHT SINKING VERTICALLY AFTER MOUNT ST HELENS ERUPTED IN SPIRIT LAKE - ROOTS OR BRANCH SYSTEM WEIGHT CAUSES THIS
 
This IS THE REAL THING !!!
 
There is NO GEOLOGIC COLUMN - false text-book evolution fairy stories.
 
THIS HUGE MONUMENTAL LIE IS WHAT CAUSED YOU TO LOSE
YOUR FAITH ARTHUR - This is FICTION - A FANTASY HERE :
 
EVIL-UTION TEXT BOOK FICTION
 
Where are THE WATER EROSION MARKS in the
layers that occur OVER TIME There ARE NONE.
 
GRAND CANYON NOT CAUSED BY COLORADO RIVER
 
Yeah RIGHT Art - the Colorado river did this above?
 
WHAT A LOAD OF HOGWASH !!!!
 
HONESTLY - IT'S FICTION - This was carved QUICKLY
BY A GIGANTIC FLOOD IN A VERY SHORT TIME FRAME.
 
We can discuss the mountain of errors in FALSE evolution theory another
time - JUST KNOW THAT IT IS FICTION, the same fiction as the so called
"debunking" of The REAL Noah's Ark, that the incredulous sceptics
FALSELY call a "rock formation".
 
The rock formation theory is 100% FALSE, as proved above.
 
END OF STORY.
 
The Scripture BELOW is where The LORD
Discusses The Barosaurus with Job.
 
i have COLOURED the part where the extinction
of the post-flood Dinosaurs is PROPHESIED. -
 
"he that made him can make
his sword to approach unto him."
 
 
Yes Art mate, there WERE YOUNG Dinos on board the Ark.
AFTER THE FLOOD their lifespans REDUCED RADICALLY !!!! 
 
Imagine how BIG a Komodo Dragon would ACTUALLY GROW,
if it had a 1656 year LIFE SPAN - Do you get this Point Now ?
 
HOW OLD WAS THIS WHEN IT WAS KILLED BY THE FLOOD?
 
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO GROW THIS SIZE BEFORE THE FLOOD
 
Man has virtually wiped out the Dragons (post flood Dinosaurs)
from around 2000 BC through to around AD 1200, BUT a few
specimens still roam certain giant jungles in Africa and S.America.
 
KILLED BY THE FLOOD
 
Some other surviving AMPHIBIOUS species STILL
LURK in the ocean and deep lakes to this very day.
 
BEHEMOTH STYLE - BOOK OF JOB
 
WRITTEN AROUND 1756 BC : Please pay SPECIAL ATTENTION TO
THE COLOURED EMPHASIS HOLY SCRIPTURE SEGMENTS BELOW)
 
Art, i DO HOPE, you are ACTUALLY READING EVERYTHING
CAREFULLY WITH AN OPEN MIND, NOT A CLOSED MIND ??
 
Job 39 : 15 - 24
 
"Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee;
he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins,
and his force is in the navel of his belly.
He moveth his tail like a cedar:
the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
His bones are as strong pieces of brass;
his bones are like bars of iron.
He is the chief of the ways of God:
 
he that made him can make
his sword to approach unto him.

Surely the mountains bring him forth food,
where all the beasts of the field play.
He lieth under the shady trees,
in the covert of the reed, and fens.
The shady trees cover him with their shadow;
the willows of the brook compass him about.

Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not:
he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

He taketh it with his eyes:
his nose pierceth through snares."
 
BEHEMOTH - BOOK OF JOB BEHEMOTH - BOOK OF JOB
 
 
READ THE LONGEST WORD SPOKEN
DIRECTLY FROM JEHOVAH, THE FATHER
OF JESUS CHRIST HERE, IN THE ENTIRE
OLD TESTAMENT, TO JOB : 
 
 
Blessings In JESUS - Amen
 
Elijah
 
NOAH'S ARK SITE PROVEN QED
 
 
 


 
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm
The video hear trying to give the appearance of a city is a total natural rock formation found in many places all over the world, having been to the Grand Canyon, Carlsbad Caverns, and Moab, UT, you might get a better understanding for how rock formations can appear to have structures almost seemingly man made.  Nothing I have seen of this suggests that this was a city nor is there any indication of (if it were a city) what city it would be, to suggest that it is any city is not scientific or archeological, it is wishful thinking and pure speculative imagination.  That is the best I can do with a rational and open mind, I am a realist.

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
There is nothing in this video to suggest that these ideas are anything but speculative wishful thinking and assumption based...  also you should look into Jewish Historical accounts vs Christian Historical accounts.  They differ greatly, for instance, the Jews weren't slaves they were warriors/consignment workers, they had not been fully paid by the pharaoh and decided to leave, the pharaoh being angry chased them and a great battle happened...  as far as a red sea crossing?  There is nothing to suggest that the sea was parted, boats could have been available or the water level low enough for them to cross but the chasing pharaohs were definitely not engulfed by a parted sea no longer parted.  To suggest it would still be speculation and there is no evidence to convince me otherwise.

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm
So, this place was supposedly burnt by the presence of God, but could it not have been an bronze age explanation for why a rocky area would looked burned and that this place was once the site of a now extinct volcano where people who created the story of Moses talking to God lived?  If you are truly a "truth seeker" you must consider the ideas I give to you as possibilities.  When archeologists study a site they NEVER jump to the conclusion that someplace was such a place and such a site happened because of such an event.  The people in all these videos are obviously what we call Christian Apologetics.
My neighbors are geologists and I have a good friend who is an archeologist, I have discussed these places and the conclusions by Biblical Historians with them in the past, the problem is, the only people claiming these places as being of Biblical significance (with the exception of Mt Sinai which isn't that special) are Biblical Historians.  The other stories have been dismissed long ago. 

You should also consider the ignorance of the people of that time period when they wrote such stories....  example: (watch up to the part of the Vikings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQhd05ZVYWg

You don't believe this will be a debate but it is.
I've been there and done that.  I'm 38 years old and have encountered many people like yourself who wished to convert me to believer since I stopped believing.
Like I said, read my hubs if you want insight on myself and why I don't believe.
If my mostly Christian family, and the priests and preachers, and some girlfriends, could not convert me then you might want to do more research on me before you attempt to try. 
Knowledge is power, if you don't know the alternative explanations and what research is required for coming to any conclusions as to what something might be then you are in for a losing battle.


From: Elijah
To: Art <artblack01@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Been there done that - THANKS FOR THE FIRST REPLY

Thanks Art - no problem.
 
i NEVER debate.
 
The Holy Spirit Led me to open up this channel with you.
 
The Reason is VERY simple :
 
You are singularly in the best position to objectively
review The Evidence that the entire atheist / agnostic
world is craving to SEE - Irrefutably SO.
 
Email is the best medium to get acquainted in doing
this - those forums are a NIGHTMARE.
 
All i do ask is equally simple at this stage, with
your cooperation.
 
Please remain PURELY objective. Nothing else.
 
If this is OK with you, then, from time to time,
as i am Moved By God, This Irrefutable Evidence
will pop into your inbox.
 
Once you have studied it OBJECTIVELY, without
past or pre-existing "bias" or "personal prejudice"
interfering with rational objective thinking, then
fire back your thoughts and replies, equally even,
as YOU are also so "moved" to do.
 
The First Presentation of This Evidence is quite
plainly and bluntly HERE :
 
 
 
 
 
Take ALL the time you need to formulate your reply;
absolutely NO RUSH at all right now....
 
ONLY, please ensure you read EVERYTHING with
a clear and objective mind.
 
Scour each of the 4 linked pages above THOROUGHLY.
 
That's it.
 
God Bless you always. In The Holy Name of JESUS,
Alive In Heaven RIGHT NOW, and VERY SOON to
Return Back to this earth For The Second Time
since AD 33.5 - Amen
 
More VERY COOL  Music for you :
 
Elijah
[Hong Kong - 14 hours ahead of  New Mexico time
 
Acts 3 : 19 - 21
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted,
that your sins may be blotted out,
when the times of refreshing shall
come from the presence of the Lord. 
And he shall send Jesus Christ,
which before was preached unto you:
Whom the heaven must receive until
the times of restitution of all things,
which God hath spoken by the mouth
of all his holy prophets since the world began."
 

 
----- Original Message -----
To: Elijah7
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:30 PM
Subject: Been there done that.

Art (artblack01@yahoo.com) artblack01 on HubPages
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You are not the first and won't be the last person to try and do what I know you are about to try and do. Just remember that I was raised Christian so the first person to attempt to make me Christian was my mother and I was a Christian for many years. I became agnostic when i found many contradictions between religion and science, Christianity and Christians, the Bible and actual history. Now having gone through college, having done all the research and seeking and finding all the evidence I required for finding what was real I became an atheist. Read my hub about my final words on the topic.

You could have this debate with me but if you want some insight as to why I am who I am then you should read my hubs and then start from that angle in debating with me. Otherwise, you don't know what you'd be getting into.

However, I welcome all friendly debates on the topic as long as careful consideration is given to everything I have said you may end up wishing you had not asked for the debate. It can often seem unfriendly when in fact it is not.



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